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The obstruction, for Mathews and McElroy, being their microphones; now, for the listener, the degraded quality of this audio file, a recording of the two great American writers in conversation on October 21 at 177 Livingston, hosted by Triple Canopy.

When Harry Mathews published his first poems in 1956, he was associated with the so-called New York School of poets, with three of whom (John Ashbery, Kenneth Koch, and James Schuyler) he founded the review Locus Solus in 1961. Through his friendship with Georges Perec, he became a member of the Oulipo in 1972. Mathews is the author of six novels and several collections of poetry.

Joseph McElroy, born in Brooklyn in 1930, is the author of nine novels, including A Smuggler's Bible, Hind's Kidnap, Ancient History: A Paraphase, Lookout Cartridge, Plus, Women and Men, The Letter Left to Me, Actress in the House, and Cannonball (forthcoming).